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Conn 8D double French Horn in nickel silver with clear lacquer. Some wear to finish but otherwise good condition, no noticeable dents or any major damage. Comes cleaned and serviced- Just had serviced and cleaned at Arts Music (have receipt for $117 paid for this last week) The Conn 8D is made traditionally out of an alloy called 'Nickel-Silver'. Nickel silver: Unlike silver-plated trumpets, nickel silver french horns aren't plated, they are made completely of a different alloy. It contains no silver, and the color is from the nickel. It is a very hard material, which means it can be made a bit thinner on high-end instruments. It naturally creates a very bright sound, which is why it's usually paired with larger bell throats. This alloy is used in the industry in order to give a richer tone (as it is heavier than brass). Beautiful tone and highly sought-after horn. New horn like this would be more than double the asking price for this quality used horn. Horn does show wear & scratches from use but in good working order. Does not come with mouthpiece. Included with French Horn - it comes with Hercules stand, Conn original hard carrying case, supplies. Selling for $2300 cash only. No emails or texts, Serious Inquiry Only. Call eight five zero eight one 9 three 3 seven eight.
Lacquer Conn 8D CONNstellation Series Double Horn. The Conn 8D CONNstellation Double Horn is equipped with a 12-1/4' large throat bell and a nickel finish. The horn produces a more open. Dark sound with a subtle response. The.468' bore is designed for excellent control and intonation. Conn 8D Connstellation Bb/F Double French Horn. Code: 100445. This professional level Bb/F double French Horn comes in a nickel plated finish and features a.468' bore and 12.25' large throat bell. Out of Stock.
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Posted by3 months ago
Hey there, I'm looking for help with selecting a new mouthpiece. I've done several hours of research into the topic, but I still need advice from people with experience.
What I'm currently using:
Since I first got my Conn 8D several years ago, I have been using the Conn 7BW mouthpiece that came with it. I've always wondered if the mouthpiece has been holding me back, but unfortunately I don't have the opportunity to try out mouthpieces, with no local stores having mouthpieces in stock (I'll have to buy online) and no buddies who could lend me theirs.
My problem:
The upper registers have always been my main issue. It takes a lot of effort for me to play notes above the staff. However, I remember a while ago I had to borrow somebody else's horn/mouthpiece. I remember how different the mouthpiece felt, and how effortless high notes suddenly felt for me. I don't remember much about the mouthpiece though, but it might have had a noticeable cup to it.
My research:- The conn 7bw mouthpiece looks like this.
- Here are some specs on it.
- The Conn 8D is a Kruspe style horn.
The mouthpiece is on the smaller end for rim size, and it has virtually no curvature with a very V shape to it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this means it has a very deep cup, right? According to my research, shallow cups are suppose to mean easier high notes, while deeper cups are supposed to mean easier low notes. I wonder if the depth of the cup of the mouthpiece is contributing to my difficulty with upper range. However, according to this website, the generalization for Kruspe style horns is they work better with more of a V-shape. Of course, he doesn't cite how he knows that (which is annoyingly common). So while I was thinking I would benefit from having a shallower cup for easier high notes, that may also be sub-optimal for my style of horn. At the same time, maybe the generalization doesn't apply here... I just don't know.
The next point to consider is the rim diameter. From comparing with images from Stork's website, I think I might have above average lip thickness, but I may be wrong so please be the judge yourself: [1] [2]. The Conn 7BW mouthpiece has an inner diameter of 17mm or .669in, which seems to be a bit on the smaller size. According to this website, having a smaller rim diameter is supposed to help with higher notes but decrease endurance. I've noticed my lips go numb after a while of playing, and I wonder if that's normal or if it's a bad result from squeezing them down to fit in a smaller diameter.
Finally, there's air flow. The specs aren't listed online, so I had to measure it myself. The minimum diameter of the mouthpiece is 4.3mm-4.5mm or .17inch-.18inch. The maximum diameter (at the end) is 6mm or 0.236 in. Not sure what the shape is. But the small diameter equates to a size #17 bore size. (Larger numbers mean smaller diameters). According to the same website that generalized the cup shape for Kruspe vs Geyer horns...
In general, Kruspe horns work better with deeper, more V-shaped mouthpiece cups with bore sizes in the 1 – 10 range, while Geyer horns work better with shallower, bowl-shaped mouthpiece cups with bore sizes in the 12-16 range. Remember, these are generalities, but they are good places to start.
I've also seen cited similarly elsewhere that a large diameter is better for Kruspe horns like my Conn 8D, so I'm suspecting that the diameter is too small for my needs. This makes sense, because the high notes I struggle with require a lot of air flow, which would be restricted by a smaller tube diameter.
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Given everything, what do you think? Should I go with a larger bore, larger rimmed mouthpiece? Should I do a deep cup, shallow cup, or a standard cup? Is it possible to go for a V-shape with a shallow cup, or was I correct in assuming a V-shape means a deep cup? Have any specific recommendations for me? Thank-you!!
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